Gun talk or something beside the stupid title i gave it

Lgs had two in "muddy girl" for 385$

Another brand USA made, I forget the mfg, with alloy lower for 629$
So, what's the best value ar style 22 available?, Iffin I wanted one. What would y'all buy next round or again?

I have heard the Smith Wesson is a good one.

The only ones I’ve handled were the S&W mp15-22. Both needed the ejectors tweaked, same as Jon’s. It’s a 5 minute fix and doesn’t require any special tools. After that they’ve run flawlessly with at least 5 different kinds of ammo.


I put a different trigger in mine just because. The trigger pins are wider than conventional AR15 pins because of the polymer receiver.

I got these, because the boy likes green.


Would I purchase again? Without a doubt.

I have a colt like ricks and have shot this s&w of Hayden's a fair amount. Both are great little rifles, the Smith is super light weight while the colt feels to be similar in weight to my 5.56 Ar's. This s&w just happened to be on the rack at lgs as I was there looking for a 10/22 for a bday present. $400 otd vs $325 for a 10/22. Idk what's up with the new Ruger but it didn't feel or look same as my old ones. Maybe just me

Kevin, if I had to chose between the colt and the s&w then the latter wins. Smith breaks down like an AR and is just much more like the bigger brother. The colt has pot metal internals iirc also and the colt isn't really made by colt. I was skeptical of this polymer s&w but even with that factored in it's a better quality than the m4 .22

Just plan on bending the ejector a tad right outta the box


 
The Taylor tactical spring and Apex SS recoil rod came in today cheap plastic and new one. Rackin the slide is a whole lot smoother now.

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I was thinking of loading some ammo for the 10mm Banshee for hunting deer in the back yard. This zone is pistol and shotgun. Typical shot would be 50 yards. The Banshee barrel length is 8". I'm planning on using a suppressor but am ok if the load is supersonic. First thought is to use heaviest bullet available. I found 240 grain Hornady HP XTP. Just got started looking around on the interwebs and I'm not finding much information. My neighbor has a chrono I can use. I'm hoping to find a load that takes advantage of the 8" barrel vs. shorter pistol barrels.
Anyone got advice? @Eccentric
 
I was thinking of loading some ammo for the 10mm Banshee for hunting deer in the back yard. This zone is pistol and shotgun. Typical shot would be 50 yards. The Banshee barrel length is 8". I'm planning on using a suppressor but am ok if the load is supersonic. First thought is to use heaviest bullet available. I found 240 grain Hornady HP XTP. Just got started looking around on the interwebs and I'm not finding much information. My neighbor has a chrono I can use. I'm hoping to find a load that takes advantage of the 8" barrel vs. shorter pistol barrels.
Anyone got advice? @Eccentric

At 50 yards, how much difference would it make 180 grain vs 240?

IMO....none

I've keeled doe from treestands with a .40
 
I was thinking of loading some ammo for the 10mm Banshee for hunting deer in the back yard. This zone is pistol and shotgun. Typical shot would be 50 yards. The Banshee barrel length is 8". I'm planning on using a suppressor but am ok if the load is supersonic. First thought is to use heaviest bullet available. I found 240 grain Hornady HP XTP. Just got started looking around on the interwebs and I'm not finding much information. My neighbor has a chrono I can use. I'm hoping to find a load that takes advantage of the 8" barrel vs. shorter pistol barrels.
Anyone got advice? @Eccentric

Don't get me wrong Tim, I prefer heavier bullets in pistol and rifle also. Get these people a call, they might give you some load data.

 
At 50 yards, how much difference would it make 180 grain vs 240?

IMO....none

I've keeled doe from treestands with a .40

Only issue with the 180gr JHP's out of a 10mm carbine would be lack of penetration (giggity) because of a higher than optimal impact speed. Most 40/10mm jhp's are built for 40sw pistol impact velocities on soft 2-legged critters. At 50yds, they may have slowed down enough to work fine, especially if'n they're not loaded to max 10mm velocities however.

For a hunting JHP, I like the 200gr Hornady XTP's. I'm with my brother Randy here however. The 200gr and 220gr cast truncated flat points are my go to for hunting with a 10mm. I like the 200gr Underwood, Buffalo Bore, HSM, and Grizzly hardcast 10mm loadings, especially with bear and elk being possibilities here.























Much of these loadings and component bullets are available from Midway and others as well as factory direct.
 
Only issue with the 180gr JHP's out of a 10mm carbine would be lack of penetration (giggity) because of a higher than optimal impact speed. Most 40/10mm jhp's are built for 40sw pistol impact velocities on soft 2-legged critters. At 50yds, they may have slowed down enough to work fine, especially if'n they're not loaded to max 10mm velocities however.

For a hunting JHP, I like the 200gr Hornady XTP's. I'm with my brother Randy here however. The 200gr and 220gr cast truncated flat points are my go to for hunting with a 10mm. I like the 200gr Underwood, Buffalo Bore, HSM, and Grizzly hardcast 10mm loadings, especially with bear and elk being possibilities here.























Much of these loadings and component bullets are available from Midway and others as well as factory direct.
knothead
give me a call sometime
 
Don't get me wrong Tim, I prefer heavier bullets in pistol and rifle also. Get these people a call, they might give you some load data.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...MXIJ7S-irxz--gN30i_N4CsE5Jcbes/htmlview#gid=0
Here's some good load data also
I loaded the 135gr nosler jhp with power pistol
It eviscerated a raccoon
It was a cloud of blood.
But I've never loaded above the 180gr lead and jacketed bullets.
Never hunted with a 10mm either.
 
Only issue with the 180gr JHP's out of a 10mm carbine would be lack of penetration (giggity) because of a higher than optimal impact speed. Most 40/10mm jhp's are built for 40sw pistol impact velocities on soft 2-legged critters. At 50yds, they may have slowed down enough to work fine, especially if'n they're not loaded to max 10mm velocities however.

For a hunting JHP, I like the 200gr Hornady XTP's. I'm with my brother Randy here however. The 200gr and 220gr cast truncated flat points are my go to for hunting with a 10mm. I like the 200gr Underwood, Buffalo Bore, HSM, and Grizzly hardcast 10mm loadings, especially with bear and elk being possibilities here.



Much of these loadings and component bullets are available from Midway and others as well as factory direct.

Good to see you show, I agree mostly.

5"-8" barrel difference is minimal. http://www.ballisticsbytheinch.com/10mm.html

Randy mentioned the hardcast because I posted a link to 230gr. https://doubletapammo.com/collections/10mm/products/10mm-230gr-hardcast-solid-a-20rds

plus hooray page 262!
 
I had been looking at that balistics by the inch site. Disapointed I couldnt get a 10mm ar based delayed blowback with a longer barrel. 13" looked like the sweet spot.
I was leaning towards heavier bullet to maybe stay subsonic and stiil have enough for a clean kill. I'll check out them links n stuff later when i gots time